Now before people start calling me a sibling fucker I want you to read and THINK first before posting. Throwing around insult is not the best way to discuss things. I made this topic because people find it controversial to talk about and people who support it are always seen as people who like to have incestious relationships themselves.
People say incest is wrong and the most disgusting thing there is but guess what, it isn't. I am talking about 2 related consenting adults here. Not some disgusting 50 year old trying to rape their 6 year old daughter. That is disgusting. So don't even dare to bring up the 'molestation' argument. The reason most people disapprove of it is because there is a higher chance of the newborn child to get several disorders or deformaties. Counsin couples actually have just 2 percent more chance than unrelated couples (source), while brother/sister couples have even more chance. I am sure that not every couple is going to have a child, or don't think about other ways of having a child like adoption, insemenation or surrogates. People who say that incest unpurifies the genepools and the children have weaker immune systems, but unrelated couples have just as must chance to give birth to a disabled child or one with a certain disorder. If incestuous couples have a child, it is at their own risk. They have more risks, but unrelated couples also have the chance to give birth to a child with deformities just as well Including diabetes, autism, downs syndrome, asperger syndrome, deficiencies etc. So people say it is wrong just because incestuous couples have more chance of getting one despite non related couples having risks of so many disorders and deformities as well?
Oh and people who say incest damages society, think about rape, extortion, domestic-abuse, politics, homicide, corruption, pollution. We have all those horrible things, but consenting incest is the most bad for god knows how many stupid reasons. Incest doesn't always have to destroy family bonds, it's like domestic violence to husband and wife, violence and abuse to children, pulling children out of school without the childs consent, family members going to jail doesn't destroy family bonds. There are worse things that can happen than 2 related people loving each other.
So yes I don't mind 2 consenting related adults to love each other the way they want. Does this make me want to fuck my brother? No. But there are way worse things in the world than incest. People who say love is beautiful no matter if its about race, religion, culture but related people is suddenly disgusting? No thank you I don't have time for hypocrites.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:24 PM
yeah, I think it's fine if it's between two consenting adults (or whatever the age of consent is where you live I guess)
if they both understand what they're doing I don't see why it's anyone's business what they do behind closed doors
it's not something I would ever want to do, and honestly I have trouble understanding why anyone would want to, but if that's what you want to do it's none of my business
if they both understand what they're doing I don't see why it's anyone's business what they do behind closed doors
it's not something I would ever want to do, and honestly I have trouble understanding why anyone would want to, but if that's what you want to do it's none of my business
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:27 PM
I agree with you on the basis of "no victim, no crime". If they hurt no one, then why would it be anyone's business?
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:38 PM
My cousin used to be obsessed with me till some years ago (liked me for an incredibly long time). Didn't do anything thank god.
I have to say that I am a little perturbed by it, but I guess if it's consensual then that's it.
I have to say that I am a little perturbed by it, but I guess if it's consensual then that's it.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:41 PM
Kirei, on 01 August 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:
yeah, I think it's fine if it's between two consenting adults (or whatever the age of consent is where you live I guess)
if they both understand what they're doing I don't see why it's anyone's business what they do behind closed doors
it's not something I would ever want to do, and honestly I have trouble understanding why anyone would want to, but if that's what you want to do it's none of my business
if they both understand what they're doing I don't see why it's anyone's business what they do behind closed doors
it's not something I would ever want to do, and honestly I have trouble understanding why anyone would want to, but if that's what you want to do it's none of my business
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:41 PM
Different strokes for different folks I always say.
I won't knock anyone for what they believe in/what they wanna do.
So sure, incest it up.
I won't knock anyone for what they believe in/what they wanna do.
So sure, incest it up.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:52 PM
Personally, I see no problem with it if they're not gonna have children.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:16 PM
I would accept an incestuous relationship, but only under the stipulation that the people in question acknowledge the potential difficulties they could be subjecting their children under. Children with genetic disorders often live difficult lives that require extensive assistance in both the professional and personal field. If the parents are unwilling to pay the possible price in time and money, then I'd advise they stay away from having children.
In any case, there are many scenarios in literature and other forms of entertainment where incest occurs between brothers and sisters when they grow up separately and are reunited. Interestingly enough, this has scientific basis as seen in the Westermarck effect and genetic sexual attraction. In short, studies have indicated the possibility that we are all inherently attracted to our siblings (perhaps extended to our relatives) and that only in growing up in close proximity will a evolutionary mechanism (evolved to suppress the detrimental effects of inbreeding) desensitize us to sexual attraction of each other.
...It's quite a fascinating field to be honest.
In any case, there are many scenarios in literature and other forms of entertainment where incest occurs between brothers and sisters when they grow up separately and are reunited. Interestingly enough, this has scientific basis as seen in the Westermarck effect and genetic sexual attraction. In short, studies have indicated the possibility that we are all inherently attracted to our siblings (perhaps extended to our relatives) and that only in growing up in close proximity will a evolutionary mechanism (evolved to suppress the detrimental effects of inbreeding) desensitize us to sexual attraction of each other.
...It's quite a fascinating field to be honest.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:31 PM
85centimeters, on 01 August 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:
I would accept an incestuous relationship, but only under the stipulation that the people in question acknowledge the potential difficulties they could be subjecting their children under. Children with genetic disorders often live difficult lives that require extensive assistance in both the professional and personal field. If the parents are unwilling to pay the possible price in time and money, then I'd advise they stay away from having children.
In any case, there are many scenarios in literature and other forms of entertainment where incest occurs between brothers and sisters when they grow up separately and are reunited. Interestingly enough, this has scientific basis as seen in the Westermarck effect and genetic sexual attraction. In short, studies have indicated the possibility that we are all inherently attracted to our siblings (perhaps extended to our relatives) and that only in growing up in close proximity will a evolutionary mechanism (evolved to suppress the detrimental effects of inbreeding) desensitize us to sexual attraction of each other.
...It's quite a fascinating field to be honest.
In any case, there are many scenarios in literature and other forms of entertainment where incest occurs between brothers and sisters when they grow up separately and are reunited. Interestingly enough, this has scientific basis as seen in the Westermarck effect and genetic sexual attraction. In short, studies have indicated the possibility that we are all inherently attracted to our siblings (perhaps extended to our relatives) and that only in growing up in close proximity will a evolutionary mechanism (evolved to suppress the detrimental effects of inbreeding) desensitize us to sexual attraction of each other.
...It's quite a fascinating field to be honest.
And I think genetic sexual attraction is very interesting. You barely know anything about the other person, which makes them seem just like another stranger on the streets. So of course people are able to feel attraction to them.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:35 PM
Not sure what the debate topic is... or rather is it a general census of what people think of incest.
Either case, I have an "agnostic" view on it, it exists and people do it sure, it might not be my thing and it isn't all that great in a moral sense, but it's a life style people choose and you just gotta acknowledge it. It's no different from any sort of family related type view, like de facto families and the sort.
Also from what I understand, incest is also there for "selective breeding", doesn't really make sense but I was told by a good friend of mine who does social study that people (more so parents) want their children to continue their linage within their own blood tree, given it almost always comes down to 2nd level cousins, but if you were to look into the tree, it would all link up into each other.
tl;dr - I personally might think incest isn't all that great, but I'm not the person that shuns it to the ground and waves torches burning down witches about it, I just say "Yep" and continue on with my life while they continue on theirs.
Either case, I have an "agnostic" view on it, it exists and people do it sure, it might not be my thing and it isn't all that great in a moral sense, but it's a life style people choose and you just gotta acknowledge it. It's no different from any sort of family related type view, like de facto families and the sort.
Also from what I understand, incest is also there for "selective breeding", doesn't really make sense but I was told by a good friend of mine who does social study that people (more so parents) want their children to continue their linage within their own blood tree, given it almost always comes down to 2nd level cousins, but if you were to look into the tree, it would all link up into each other.
tl;dr - I personally might think incest isn't all that great, but I'm not the person that shuns it to the ground and waves torches burning down witches about it, I just say "Yep" and continue on with my life while they continue on theirs.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:41 PM
Majbert Wesker, on 01 August 2011 - 09:35 PM, said:
Not sure what the debate topic is... or rather is it a general census of what people think of incest.
Either case, I have an "agnostic" view on it, it exists and people do it sure, it might not be my thing and it isn't all that great in a moral sense, but it's a life style people choose and you just gotta acknowledge it. It's no different from any sort of family related type view, like de facto families and the sort.
Also from what I understand, incest is also there for "selective breeding", doesn't really make sense but I was told by a good friend of mine who does social study that people (more so parents) want their children to continue their linage within their own blood tree, given it almost always comes down to 2nd level cousins, but if you were to look into the tree, it would all link up into each other.
tl;dr - I personally might think incest isn't all that great, but I'm not the person that shuns it to the ground and waves torches burning down witches about it, I just say "Yep" and continue on with my life while they continue on theirs.
Either case, I have an "agnostic" view on it, it exists and people do it sure, it might not be my thing and it isn't all that great in a moral sense, but it's a life style people choose and you just gotta acknowledge it. It's no different from any sort of family related type view, like de facto families and the sort.
Also from what I understand, incest is also there for "selective breeding", doesn't really make sense but I was told by a good friend of mine who does social study that people (more so parents) want their children to continue their linage within their own blood tree, given it almost always comes down to 2nd level cousins, but if you were to look into the tree, it would all link up into each other.
tl;dr - I personally might think incest isn't all that great, but I'm not the person that shuns it to the ground and waves torches burning down witches about it, I just say "Yep" and continue on with my life while they continue on theirs.
So why isn't great in a moral sense? You are being quite vague here. Sure whe shouldn't fuck the living soul out of our relatives but is it really 'bad' if a minority did it? The majority of populairity does not want a relationship between relatives. So if a minority of let's say one country does it, then it is not really that bad. Plus you also have to think of it a mental way. If people really feel that kind of love, you cannot blame them or tell them how to experience love.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:44 PM
Anyways if someone isn't consenting for having sex it's considering like rape in all ways, incest or not.
So not see "moral" problem about that, just like mentionned the problem of handicapped childs.
So not see "moral" problem about that, just like mentionned the problem of handicapped childs.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:00 PM
love is love in any form. aslong as its fine by both partys its ok isnt it?
thats my opinion anyways.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:09 PM
Schutzstaffel, on 01 August 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:
So why isn't great in a moral sense? You are being quite vague here. Sure whe shouldn't fuck the living soul out of our relatives but is it really 'bad' if a minority did it? The majority of populairity does not want a relationship between relatives. So if a minority of let's say one country does it, then it is not really that bad. Plus you also have to think of it a mental way. If people really feel that kind of love, you cannot blame them or tell them how to experience love.
Well, what I meant was (or rather what I should've added) was that it's not all that great in the general publics view and moral of it. Despite the amount of agnostics and atheists we have in the world, the world is still 97% religious, and me myself being grown up in a Catholic family and learning such until I was around 8 years old (I stopped believing in religion for my own reasons) you get taught a "social norm" like you do in school or any where else.
And in this current world and age, the "social norm" still shuns Incest. But not like it was say 20 years ago. That's because the world is now starting to become more open and we're learning more and more about ourselves and the world itself.
And to answer the question or statement of "Is it really that bad if a minority did it". There is absolutely nothing wrong, like I said in my OP
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tl;dr - I personally might think incest isn't all that great, but I'm not the person that shuns it to the ground and waves torches burning down witches about it, I just say "Yep" and continue on with my life while they continue on theirs.
I'm not one to judge what others do, but I'm not going to lecture them on what I think is right or wrong.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:16 PM
Meh, as long as both people are consenting adults it's fine in my opinion. People are way too judgemental, what a man or woman does with his or her penis/vagina is their own business, unless it involves someone under age of course.
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Majbert Wesker, on 01 August 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:
Well, what I meant was (or rather what I should've added) was that it's not all that great in the general publics view and moral of it. Despite the amount of agnostics and atheists we have in the world, the world is still 97% religious, and me myself being grown up in a Catholic family and learning such until I was around 8 years old (I stopped believing in religion for my own reasons) you get taught a "social norm" like you do in school or any where else.
And in this current world and age, the "social norm" still shuns Incest. But not like it was say 20 years ago. That's because the world is now starting to become more open and we're learning more and more about ourselves and the world itself.
And to answer the question or statement of "Is it really that bad if a minority did it". There is absolutely nothing wrong, like I said in my OP
I'm not one to judge what others do, but I'm not going to lecture them on what I think is right or wrong.
And in this current world and age, the "social norm" still shuns Incest. But not like it was say 20 years ago. That's because the world is now starting to become more open and we're learning more and more about ourselves and the world itself.
And to answer the question or statement of "Is it really that bad if a minority did it". There is absolutely nothing wrong, like I said in my OP
I'm not one to judge what others do, but I'm not going to lecture them on what I think is right or wrong.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:40 PM
I really see no issue with incest
I think everyone should behave and act and think like they want to, if its incest they like, there is no real problem is there?
As for damaging the genepool, that is a load of BullShit!. There are around 6 billion humans here on earth.
thats 6,000,000,000 Humans (ALOT basically)
and each Human has around 20,000 genes, so the total possible combination of genes in co-ordinance of the 6 billion humans means there are...
120,000,000,000,000 possible combinations...
fucking up gene pool, hah, i think not...
Also i have HFA and my parents are not related so the chances of having a disability regardless of parents is true.
I think everyone should behave and act and think like they want to, if its incest they like, there is no real problem is there?
As for damaging the genepool, that is a load of BullShit!. There are around 6 billion humans here on earth.
thats 6,000,000,000 Humans (ALOT basically)
and each Human has around 20,000 genes, so the total possible combination of genes in co-ordinance of the 6 billion humans means there are...
120,000,000,000,000 possible combinations...
fucking up gene pool, hah, i think not...
Also i have HFA and my parents are not related so the chances of having a disability regardless of parents is true.
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120,000,000,000,000 possible combinations...
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 11:29 PM
As someone with only one sibling (a full sister, and we are both adults) I'd have to say: No. It's wrong.
However, I guess I can't bring up any arguments since the OP (and a few other posters) basically listed every reason it's wrong, but suffixed with "doesn't count as an argument."
That's my stance.
However, I guess I can't bring up any arguments since the OP (and a few other posters) basically listed every reason it's wrong, but suffixed with "doesn't count as an argument."
That's my stance.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 11:39 PM
Not even reading the whole opening post. Here's my opinion:
I don't see what's so horrible and wrong about it as long as it's between consenting adults. That's it. As long as they are both consenting, I just don't see the problem. I've mentioned this before elsewhere, and this is usually what people tell me:
You're okay with it?! That must mean you are involved in incest!
Saying someone is involved in incest because they don't see the problem with it is like saying someone is automatically gay because they support gay rights. It doesn't work like that.
But what if they have a kid?! It'll be a mutant!
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I'm okay with incest as long as they don't have children.
Yes, people seriously think a child between incest couples will be some kind of mutant. One person actually said they'd end up with a three-eyed monster looking thing, and MEANT it. While there is a slightly increased chance of birth defects(which gets larger if the child of an incest couple has a child from incest themselves, and then so on down the line), come on people. There's no way it'd be something like that, and as long as the two people know the risks, I don't see why they should be kept from having children if they really want them(and there is ALWAYS a risk of a child having a birth defect from ANY couple, it's just higher in this case. That risk doesn't stop anyone else). There are people who are KNOWN to have a high risk of having a child with birth defects, and yet THEY'RE allowed to reproduce. Female alcoholics are allowed to reproduce, even though drinking while pregnant is proven to be a cause of birth defects. And don't even say 'they'll hurt the gene pool' because they are BILLIONS of people on Earth, how is this such a problem.
And there are people who say incest should not exist at all solely so they can't reproduce. What about incest couples that don't want to have children between them anyways, or same-sex incest couples?
Incest goes against my religion!
Good for you. Then don't have an incest relationship. Keep your beliefs out of other peoples lives.
I could go on, but I'm tired, so I'll stop here for now.
I don't see what's so horrible and wrong about it as long as it's between consenting adults. That's it. As long as they are both consenting, I just don't see the problem. I've mentioned this before elsewhere, and this is usually what people tell me:
You're okay with it?! That must mean you are involved in incest!
Saying someone is involved in incest because they don't see the problem with it is like saying someone is automatically gay because they support gay rights. It doesn't work like that.
But what if they have a kid?! It'll be a mutant!
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I'm okay with incest as long as they don't have children.
Yes, people seriously think a child between incest couples will be some kind of mutant. One person actually said they'd end up with a three-eyed monster looking thing, and MEANT it. While there is a slightly increased chance of birth defects(which gets larger if the child of an incest couple has a child from incest themselves, and then so on down the line), come on people. There's no way it'd be something like that, and as long as the two people know the risks, I don't see why they should be kept from having children if they really want them(and there is ALWAYS a risk of a child having a birth defect from ANY couple, it's just higher in this case. That risk doesn't stop anyone else). There are people who are KNOWN to have a high risk of having a child with birth defects, and yet THEY'RE allowed to reproduce. Female alcoholics are allowed to reproduce, even though drinking while pregnant is proven to be a cause of birth defects. And don't even say 'they'll hurt the gene pool' because they are BILLIONS of people on Earth, how is this such a problem.
And there are people who say incest should not exist at all solely so they can't reproduce. What about incest couples that don't want to have children between them anyways, or same-sex incest couples?
Incest goes against my religion!
Good for you. Then don't have an incest relationship. Keep your beliefs out of other peoples lives.
I could go on, but I'm tired, so I'll stop here for now.
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Toucanly Ambition, on 01 August 2011 - 11:29 PM, said:
However, I guess I can't bring up any arguments since the OP (and a few other posters) basically listed every reason it's wrong, but suffixed with "doesn't count as an argument."
I have a very strong feeling you just say that because you can't come up with a counter-argument to a counter-argument supporting incest. I never stated that it doesn't count as an argument, I just counter-argumented them.
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